Earlier this evening I was meeting with a new person; just over Google Meet, but enough to get a sense of them in a human way. We spoke Deeply. You know, like you do. The meeting ended and I went back to what I was doing; at some point I picked up one of my devices, idly and almost without thought, and continued reading the Substack article that I had been in the middle of last I was holding the device. The words, I realized after a moment, were popping off the page. They had more meaning. They meant everything. "Oh," thought I, "I am still having the conversation. That effect lasts longer than the conversation. That is interesting."
There's a lot to unpack there; first of all, I haven't defined "speaking Deeply." That one, I think, is pretty easy: it's talking and listening without ego, with your entire, engaged human self. It's a thing, I think, that female human beings who are good friends do without even thinking about it. And, not to get too stereotypical, a thing most male humans simply never learn and never do. As with all things, there are exceptions.
I learned a thing recently from another conversation with a second new person. This was somebody I knew virtually and then we had dinner and I got to encounter them as a human and experience all the ways the virtual them and the real them were different. It was, understatement of all understatements, very interesting. I'll frame this thing that I learned from them in a very basic way that I'm not sure is correct, but is the best I can do for now. Here it is:
There are two kinds of people in the world: mind/body people and body/mind people. The former's being originates from their mind and the latter's from their physical body. At times they have great trouble to understand each other, because they experience reality completely differently from each other.
This came from the realization that New Person (the second one, that I knew virtually) was a mind/body person and that I am a body/mind person. That is to say, I experience the world body-first, and my mind comes out of that physical being. I should say, prima facie, that this frame seems all kinds of problematic. First of all, who would want to even be a body/mind? From the definition it seems like I don't have free will, and that my conscious being is subject to, like, whatever my machine body is going to do in the world. But that's also, I gotta say, exactly what it feels like to be me.
I write about this all the time. Here's one example of it, from this entry:
And I am also a really, really good primate. You know what the smartest monkeys do? They look at the successful monkeys around them and the copy what those monkeys do. I am…really good…at that. I think most of what reads “smart” about me is actually that. A particular skill of human mirroring and mimicry, if you will. It sometimes looks like a magic trick, and maybe it is.
This is useful, because in most all other respects, I am a complete moron. I can’t read. I can barely write. I cannot deal with big abstractions. I cannot think unless I break things down into the simplest possible pieces. And I cannot tell you how much I am not being humble right now. You know those times in high school or college when you got called on and you didn’t know the answer (or worse, you weren’t paying attention)? But the teacher just stood there, putting you on the spot, and everybody was staring at you and you were stuck there like a deer in headlights? Do you remember what that feels like? It feels like that, in my head, all the time. It is a constant feeling of, like, “duh.”
None of this has ever caused me existential despair. There is a running commentary in my head, and it does very much seem like my body is listening, can hear, and takes what I say into account for future actions. And it talks to me, about which I have also written:
What it can do, what it does do, is trigger things -- memories, emotions, whatever patterns are there available to be triggered into consciousness (I should say that this is my own experience with my own mind/body duality, and your mileage may vary. This applies to most everything I write. I have no idea amongst all of the things are true for me are either 1. only true for me versus 2. more universally true, but other humans have yet to interpret or understand them).
All of this ties back to the first conversation; it was "earlier this evening" when I first started writing, but now it's the next day, so it happened last night. Overnight, as I lay in bed, what happened was this: an enormous twist came out of my body. I rolled over in the night and felt my entire skeleton go "clunk." I left the part that had fallen into a new place (more or less my hips down) where it was, turned over the upper part my body and it too went "clunk." A new collection of glute and leg muscles suddenly appeared under my control and I spent a few minutes tentatively flexing and relaxing them before I fell back to sleep again.
This happens to me all the time these days, but it's usually during morning body work, usually in tiny increments, and I am fighting tooth and nail for territory and progress is usually hard won. Every now and then, though, I have a huge movement of energy through my body and it undoes a whole world of hurt that I've been carrying. That's what happened to me last night. Walking the dog this morning I thought of last night's conversation and wanted to assign it as the cause: the person I talked to was a shaman (more on shamans another time) and that's what shamans do. But then I thought: well, no, haven't I just identified myself as a body/mind person? We were on Zoom, and all that person could do was talk to me. And then I thought about the prior four days where I had done significant, more or less constant body work, and how that was just as good an explanation for the big energy move as the shaman.
And then I thought, well, ¿por quĂ© no los dos?