tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14840542.post113934583214667206..comments2023-06-17T06:46:48.762-07:00Comments on The Odds Are One: Who Are You?Transient Gadflyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10313323030838183737noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14840542.post-1139966751219086022006-02-14T17:25:00.000-08:002006-02-14T17:25:00.000-08:00How appropriate that I would answer precisely the ...How appropriate that I would answer precisely the question posed by the entry.<BR/><BR/>A few months ago I stumbled across this blog accidently and read a post about the end of the universe and probability (which I can't find now). It got me curious, I posted a question, read a bit more of your blog, then had a conversation about the idea with some friends. <BR/><BR/>Rather than explain where I found the ideas, I told my friends I'd just link the blog from mine, which I had just started. I think you had some source links and whatnot, so it seemed easiest. I just never deleted it, but I certainly will (my humor is sometimes a bit a crass, and I suppose a somewhat academic blog need not be associated with that...). Anyway, I still swing by every couple of months to read the posts that catch my fancy.Portenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14904876484195997398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14840542.post-1139497818559914152006-02-09T07:10:00.000-08:002006-02-09T07:10:00.000-08:00Dan: you're right, my analogy was slightly off wit...Dan: you're right, my analogy was slightly off with the privacy issue. Though I agree with that sticking point as a basic scheme, there also seems to be a separate filter at the tippity top that allows for "privileged people" to have their own set of security, thereby providing them (higher HIGHER ups) with the right to privacy that everyone should have/could have, but doesn't. That's where something else comes in to play about the hierarchical access thingy.<BR/><BR/>Sam: Verizon does not allow bluetooth file transfer on my phone! See what I mean by higher HIGHER up power privileges?Tarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584470465321516765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14840542.post-1139472002487876742006-02-09T00:00:00.000-08:002006-02-09T00:00:00.000-08:00Wow, you guys are in deep here, and I have to go t...Wow, you guys are in deep here, and I have to go teach Hume to MA students very very soon, so I'll just make two quick points and then plan to blog about this whole identity thing later on.<BR/><BR/>1. To Tarn, one word: Bluetooth! It leadds to two more: problem solved!<BR/><BR/>2. To Dan, was the asterisk for me? If so, I love it!!!fronesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13544185676179565507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14840542.post-1139449574918127272006-02-08T17:46:00.000-08:002006-02-08T17:46:00.000-08:00I'm not sure I fully understand the "problem space...I'm not sure I fully understand the "problem space," although I like the phrase. I think you're suggesting that, from the point of view of people who control and analyze what a "user account" <I>does</I> and <I>is</I> and <I>can do</I> and <I>will probably do</I>, there is an assumption made, which is that the user account represents one discreet individual, and the things that the individual/user account does create a very specific picture of that real-world individual. But a user account is not necessarily a discreet user. A real-world person can challenge the assumptions made about that user account by sharing it, distributing its privileges, confounding data collection that assumes that the user account is one person simply by the fact that many people use the user account for various reasons. Thus, pigfucker and bobbob.<BR/><BR/>I think Rebecca makes a remarkably radical/powerful statement for a blogger comment post: <B>"Maybe the answer is to give up on trying to know the individual consumer and embrace the new relational consumer node that you're truly tracking."</B> Perhaps consumer analysts in the internet sector are trying to force an old paradigm back on a culture that was born out of the ability to interact/communicate/act in and through a "virtual" identity(ies) that in no way promises to represent anyone actual or real (unless, perhaps <I>to be</I> pomo*, one believes that the essence of this paradigm of virtual identities that are fractured & dispersed, and operate only within specific contexts where they declare themselves (Warcraft character vs. Aim chat room handle vs. profile on an animal rights message board) is indeed a model for how identity <I>actually</I> works in the "real" world -- that is, offline).<BR/><BR/>I like Tarn’s point that suggests that this is a problem of nearly all internet-based technology. I'd like to disagree with one point Tarn made, for the purpose of making another connection to theories of identities and relations of power. You said: "I'm talking classist mentality here. The lower you are on the totem, the less freedom, the less access and the less privacy you have." I feel, however, that the lower one is on the totem, and the less access they have, the more privacy they have. To reverse this, (and here I think I'm restating your overall point): to give up privacy is to gain access and to gain privilege. Power relations work this way, per Foucault; and [not necessarily per Foucault, I dunno] they are at their strongest when there is a balance of compromise & reward between giver and receiver. So, we rope ourselves in to this fantastic web to literally have access (well, virtually…to literally have virtual access) to all of the benefits and privileges. Every node into our “private” sphere of identity is a node out from ourselves. That’s a very “neat” way of imagining the internet and the subject/user who is at its center; in fact, I think this is how we do visualize or sense the internet, and it helps to keep our identity intact. <BR/><BR/>Following the above train of thought: perhaps, though we fret over being overtaken by <I>1984</I>-esque big-brother puppeteers, we actually like to envision that all of the clicks and type-a type-a typies we make across the internet, exposing a bit of ourselves here, a bit there, our favorite song tied to this IP address, a sexy dialogue with a stranger tied to that – that these things do all connect together to form a complete image of ourselves – perhaps more so than any image of ourselves that we can present socially at any one time. TG, (WADR) I think you pass off the radical notion of individualism as been always/already absent a little too easily. What is scary about the commodification of our “individual tastes” if not that they represent some cohesive individual that really exists, above and beyond the advertising demographics? Is the fear that, though I think that I exist already, I really only do when <A HREF="http://secondamericano.blogspot.com/2006/02/its-official-now.html" REL="nofollow">Amazon creates me</A> as a tab in its storefront called “Dan’s Store”? [Audience: Ooooooooh…]<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>*oh wait, I don’t know what <B>post modern</B> means…Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04448647157972462097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14840542.post-1139429749969971442006-02-08T12:15:00.000-08:002006-02-08T12:15:00.000-08:00The space problem seems to extend way outside of w...The space problem seems to extend way outside of web identities also. For instance, I have photos taken on my phone that I would like to put on my computer. There are many "easy" solutions to this problem, however they all cost money, in some way or another. I could purchase a data cord, I could email it, or I could direct message it somewhere. But every solution has somebody's grubby little fingers (primarily verizon) dipped in, taxing me of my free rights. <BR/><BR/>To this extent, it's not what I allow others to know about my identity; it's worse! My identity is in fact <I>CREATED</I> by the powers that be.<BR/><BR/>Then again, as you mentioned, if w3 2.0 proprietary access is based on "privileges", then I'm rather apt to say what else is new? From lack of privacy to commodification of personal taste, isn't that what privilege is about? I'm talking classist mentality here. The lower you are on the totem, the less freedom, the less access and the less privacy you have.<BR/><BR/>The thing is we, as consumers, voluntarily give up privacy and voluntarily accept "terms of conditions" all the time. How many "accept" buttons have you pushed in the last 5 months? Every time I restart my computer it seems I have to accept some crap. My point is, for all the freedom of information rhetoric I spout out, I know there is a cost -- and that is the voluntary acceptance of identity-slavery.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I concur. The "problem space" is a big one.Tarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14584470465321516765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14840542.post-1139424102721655922006-02-08T10:41:00.000-08:002006-02-08T10:41:00.000-08:00It's not the absence of individualism as such that...It's not the absence of individualism as such that seems scary to me, I mean that was always/already true. It's the fact that something as fundamental to you as "your taste in music," can be a) commercially commodified, and b) made such that a corporation owns that commodity, rather than, say, you.Transient Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10313323030838183737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14840542.post-1139391011527513822006-02-08T01:30:00.000-08:002006-02-08T01:30:00.000-08:00I read this after noticing that my Washington Post...I read this after noticing that my Washington Post identity log-in is now "badflubug" rather than "pigfucker" which is what it used to be, thanks to bugmenot.com. I miss pigfucker. NYT is still bobbob, which I love for its bs and os. <BR/><BR/>I find the identity thing fascinating, and not in a negative way, which perhaps reveals my naivete or perhaps the fact that I've given up on the myth that we were ever off the grid in any real way. Sure, i didn't sign up for the supermarket loyalty plans until about a year before I left the states, but still...<BR/><BR/>I find it fascinating that my identity now includes things I buy for friends and family, such that "me" includes desires and interests that used to be technically "not me" but in some very real sense are related to and thus part of my identity make-up. So the fact that I bought <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671612972/sr=1-1/qid=1139390396/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-8000762-3291334?%5Fencoding=UTF8" REL="nofollow">Ben Hogan's Five Lessons</A> for my dad one Christmas meant that amazon sold me golf items for the next six months, alongside the usual Asian art books, history offerings, and, on amazon uk, items on British mythology (I bought the Mabinogion here). I suppose this is sinister. On one level occasionally I do worry about buying patterns in the semesters before I've taught Islamic art, for example. So I get that worry. <BR/><BR/>But isn't the fight for privacy--as if we ever had it--over now? And shouldn't we embrace this new, non-individualist notion of identity, in which, frankly, rather than knowing who I am, amazon knows about the region around myself that I affect in some real way? Not to be too pomo, but isn't this about the slow deconstruction of the individual (finally!)? Maybe the answer is to give up on trying to know the individual consumer and embrace the new relational consumer node that you're truly tracking.teknehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16958083980701375245noreply@blogger.com